Support the FISA filibuster: Call your senator again

FISA bill HR 6304 may come up for consideration in the Senate as soon as today. Senators Dodd, Feingold, Wyden, (and Boxer?????) are planning to filibuster the compromise FISA bill.

Call your senators again, now, and ask them to support the filibuster.


5 Responses to “Support the FISA filibuster: Call your senator again”

  1. tracking2008 Says:

    Barbara Boxer has joined the filibuster effort.

  2. Nijma Says:

    Thanks, Tracking, I’ve edited the post, the sidebar, and a companion post at Repeal Fisa.

  3. tracking2008 Says:

    Hm. Or has she? Does Senator Boxer oppose the entire bill, or just the retroactive immunity? I have more questions.

  4. tracking2008 Says:

    Boxer supported the filibuster, along with 15 other Democrats.

    Barack Obama didn’t even bother to show up. So much for his promise: “I will work in the Senate,” he said.

    Obama was off giving a speech declaring his support for the death penalty instead.

    Yes we can what? I’ve forgotten what it was that yes we could do.

  5. Nijma Says:

    Here is the roll call vote for cloture, it’s hard enough to find:

    Biden (D-DE)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    Byrd (D-WV)
    Clinton (D-NY)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    Obama (D-IL)

    Being for cloture is not necessarily supporting or not supporting the filibuster. it just means to cut off debate on whether to consider the bill, it does not cut off debate on the bill itself. I think they need 3/5 of the Senate to cut off debate on a bill, so if they can find something like 40 or 41 senators who are willing to not show up, or not vote, or not do anything, even if they favor the bill, then the filibuster is on. But if you look at the 80 senators who voted for cloture as a test vote, then it doesn’t look that good.

    Pelosi is said to favor a long debate..maybe just long enough to make the other party look bad before passing the bill anyhow. And aren’t there supposed to be some token amendments..that might take some time…There was hope of stretching the debate out long enough so it couldn’t be finished before the 4th holiday, when everyone would go home and get wisdom from their districts.

    The problem is deeper than that of course. Just like when conventional warfare gave way to the atomic age, we didn’t know what to do about the Cold War. Now the Cold War has been replaced by terrorists, no one knows what to do again.

    I think everyone knows the country’s whole legal direction since 9/11 is as unconstitutional as hell, but don’t want to err on the side of too little security, so they want to stall any supreme court decisions until the terrorist thing is under control. But what’s wrong with getting a FISA court warrant–oh yeah, data mining. So where’s the testimony on that…secret? Some people have been showed some stuff, they can’t say what it is of course, but they say it’s not very comprehensive. Just like when Hillary got briefed in her office about WMD.

    And what is this big “exclusivity provision” thing that changed Obama’s mind? We don’t need a 4th amendment if we’ve got an exclusivity provision?

    “Yes we can”?… But I never drank that koolaid so I don’t have a hangover. Oh, but wasn’t it “four legs good, two legs bad”? or maybe “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” The Obamas and Clintons and McCains of this world know how to take care of themselves. They are busy with their own advancement, and have already moved on to the next question.

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