Is Barack Obama’s Trinity Church Racist?

The blogosphere is all agog, and it’s because presidential candidate Barack Obama’s home church, Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ once adopted a Black Value System that, among other things, disavows the “Pursuit of ‘Middleclassness’.”

Here are their points, written by a committee back in 1981:

  1. Commitment to God
  2. Commitment to the Black Community
  3. Commitment to the Black Family
  4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
  5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
  6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
  7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
  8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
  9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
  10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
  11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
  12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

An article at the oddly misnamed blog Sweetness & Light calls the church “Afro-centric, racist and Bush-hating”, and suggests that the church is “not your everyday Christian parish”. The writer intentionally misspells Obama’s name as “Osama”, so you kind of know where they’re coming from. Anonymous commenters fill in the picture even further:

That’s cute, the way the author capitalizes Black, but leaves white lower case.

Since they’ve “discredited” the story about Obama being a Muslim, they can now demonstrate what a “real Christian” he is today and highlight some of these beliefs. Obama is a racist pig. This “church” is nothing but a bunch of psychotic and intolerant kooks.

Did you notice that this “Church” is just the black Muslim cult with a name change?

If Obama indeed buys into this church’s philosophy, we have a blatantly racist presidential front runner whose first allegiance is to Africa.

Looking for salvation? White people need not apply.

I looked at the website and it stresses the Afro-centrism. CAN OBAMA SERVE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALL BLACK?

If I belonged to a church that was White-centric questions would be raised about my ability to serve ALL the people!

The “Free Republic” conservative discussion forum is equally charming:

I’m not exactly sure what the “Black Value System” is. But I have a suspicion that whatever it is, it’s not too good for White Folks.

Replace Obama with an all-white candidate and change all the instances of the word “black” on this webpage to “white” and we have a candidate that couldn’t get elected dogcatcher in any community in America.

Their “black values systems” sounds divisive and racist.

They sound particularly embittered and that isn’t Christian.

Sounds like these folks have some mighty large chips on their shoulders.

For obvious reasons, I’m not providing a link to any of these sites.

What exactly is this church these anonymous people are so afraid of? Is it really “not your everyday Christian parish”? I’m afraid not. The United Church of Christ (not to be confused with the “Churches of Christ”) is about as mainstream as you can get. They are known for traditional worship services and a historical commitment to social justice.

And Trinity? They are the quintessential black Chicago church. When question came up at another Chicago church about whether there was something racist in the way a particular ritual was being planned, the question asked was, “What do they do at Trinity?” Trinity sets the standard for racially correct behavior.

In a Chicago Tribune piece, Trinity’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, talked about the formation of the South Side church :

Many black Christians were leaving the church for other religious traditions, including the Black Hebrew Israelites and the Nation of Islam, who taught that Christianity was a white man’s religion imposed on them by slaveholders.

“They didn’t know African-American history,” Wright said. “They were leaving the churches by the boatloads. The church seemed so disconnected from their struggle for dignity and humanity.”

Wright set out to show young people how other major religions also participated in the slave trade, how many abolitionists were Christians and how Jesus’ concern for the oppressed related to the struggles of the black community….

Wright sought to build on the black theology of liberation introduced in 1968 by Rev. James Cone of New York, by emphasizing Africa’s contribution to Christianity rather than that of mainstream white theologians.

“To show there is an independent form of thinking there about religion that stands on its own, that’s really more life-giving than what you get from Europe,” Cone said. “Black people who come from that approach have a very healthy understanding of who they are.”

To bolster that pride, Wright takes members of his flock to different African nations every year. Wright also encourages youths in the congregation to attend historically black colleges and universities, sponsoring a scholarship fair each year.

Obama’s reaction to the Trinity’s points?:

…Obama said it was important to understand the document as a whole rather than highlight individual tenets. “Commitment to God, black community, commitment to the black family, the black work ethic, self-discipline and self-respect,” he said. “Those are values that the conservative movement in particular has suggested are necessary for black advancement.

“So I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help….”

In his published memoirs, Obama said even he was stopped by Trinity’s tenet to disavow “middleclassness” when he first read it two decades ago in a church pamphlet. The brochure implored upwardly mobile church members not to distance themselves from less fortunate Trinity worshipers.

“As I read it, at least, it was a very simple argument taken directly from Scripture: `To whom much is given much is required,’” Obama said in the interview.

But Obama scoffed at the suggestion that Trinity espouses a value system that seeks to help blacks exclusively. “If I say to anybody in Iowa–white, black, Hispanic or Asian–that my church believes in the African-American community strengthening families or adhering to the black work ethic or being committed to self-discipline and self-respect and not forgetting where you came from, I don’t think that’s something anybody would object to.

So what’s the bottom line? It looks to me like Barack Obama is the only person exercising any leadership here.

Trinity needs to re-evaluate their points. Has nothing changed since 1968? When I returned from the Middle East after 9/11, whites were telling me “everything has changed; ‘they’ are not the enemy any more”. And with increasing numbers of blacks moving to the suburbs, the young have become more intolerant of social separation based on race. But let’s face it, whites know a whole lot more about blacks than blacks know about whites. While no one would argue with the continued need for blacks to strengthen their community, (well, almost no one) it’s time for them to stop being so nearsighted and look to their nation and the world. Has there really been no original black thought since MLK? Are they just going to keep re-reading King’s old speeches, and recycling decades-old ideas, or are they going to do some critical thinking and write some new ones? What have they learned on their trips to Africa? I’m serious. If they can write a “black value system”, they should be able to write a global value system as well. They should be able to devote some small fraction of their energy to providing leadership, not just for their own insular community, but for the nation.

It’s time for Trinity to form a new committee.

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Related posts:

Jesus Lite and Victimology at Obama’s Still-Racist Trinity Church
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Update 3/19/08: Thank you to everyone who comments here, even the people I don’t agree with. The remarks are original and heartfelt and very interesting. I check them every day even when I don’t have time to write something.

If I were the people at Trinity, I would keep coming back here from time to time to read the new comments.

This is a child friendly site. I don’t want to change what someone else writes here, but if anyone writes profanity or hate speech, I will change that one word to asterisks, and make a comment to show it was edited. The idea is to teach children by example what kind of speech is acceptable.

I wrote here above, and then again in the “Jesus Lite” essay after I visited Trinity, that Trinity has to change. At this point I don’t have any idea how, but I know it has to happen. Like everything else, it will probably be a process. Maybe the comments of readers here can help with that.

162 Responses to “Is Barack Obama’s Trinity Church Racist?”

  1. Philander Franklin Says:

    It puzzles me to what great extents people will go to darken anothers persons light. We will read, and watch, but so very seldom do we first change our perspectives before we begin to rifle out rash and outwardly negative comments about other ethnic groups. Its really sad.

    I like to think of myself as a pretty fair person. A halfway decent person, oh and don’f forget a Christian. O and I attend Trinity. The puzzling thing about this Church is that every time I go, I fail to see a church that is without representation onf just about every ethnic group.

    Now I won’t deny that sometime politics find their way into the scriptures… But, in a extremely segregated City which Chicago without any doubt is, a very opinionated media base composed of predominantly Caucasion writers, (Tribune/ Sun Times) an education system that is as good with schools closed as it is with them open, and the highest Gas prices in the Country. Where does a young black family who is typically socially deprived, financially disabled, physically degraded and undermined go to find answers. Hmmm, maybe Jesse…. na Jesse is a bit expensive, he asks his partons for $50 donations at funeral services (witness). Leaks, well… I find his target audience to be a little to hiphop, well what about Jeremiah Wright?

    If you don’t have an avenue to the world such as the internet, you might learn some current events! If you don’t know how you should feel about something, he will definatey provide you some insight in a language that you will feel most comfortably listening to (one you can comprehend) If you have never seen a white person other than you polish land lord, or Albino slumlord (Eastlake Management) you will likely meet some energetic and open minded travelors from different colleges from all over the city. You will probably have to sit all the way in the overflow if you are late. But one thing is promised, he will not make you make your mind up.

    I have been to a number of “Churches”, and I am one to take from the lesson which best suits my place in life. If you go digging around in anything long enough, you probably are going to find something you were looking for, wether you like it or not. The truth about any Church is simple. If you leave feeling better about yourself, your decisions, and about your place in this world, and have gained some insight into the world, and How God plays a part in it, then you have acquired something you didn’t have when you walked in the door. If you didn’t gain anything personally, you will seen a feeling of releif for a great deal of people who attend the Church. That alone should make you feel better, if it doesn’t make you happy seeing others happy, then you have your own problems.

    As far as Trinity feeling like a cult…. that is such a sad perspective. African Americans have for a long time sat on the heels of MLK, Ill give you that. We make excuses, but why is it that the moment we try and focus on our own self worth, it becomes an issue. There is no Whitecentric, because its a white world. say it loud you’re white and your proud…. so what. You should be proud of all the good your people have done. Really! If whites wouldn’t spend so much time pointing out others flaws we’d likely see what good they have done.
    You have to take into consideration the nature of Africans is to be very tribal, and commune. We like to keep shit to ourselves… bad or good. So when we need empowerment, we look for it from eachother. We hoist our values above the values of those who’ve betrayed, overlooked, and casted us aside countless amounts of times. It doesn’t work all the time, but never the less, its not wrong just because it isn’t your way of doing things. Its simply different.

    All that just because you think you Know about a Church, what you really don’t. Go to Trinity, and when and if you do, tell them Phil sent you. They won’t know who I am, but they will be greatful you came.

    Responses to Trinity
    Commitment to God (Must do)
    Commitment to the Black Community (The Church is in the hood, it needs help. Most of its patrons are from the area, who should it be helping if not its own community!)
    Commitment to the Black Family (Duh no brainer, its the same as above. You have to make sure your house is clean before you go trying to clean someone elses)
    Dedication to the Pursuit of Education (Self explanatory)
    Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence (Same as above)
    Adherence to the Black Work Ethic (Black community has to grow to be more self sufficient, most of us don’t have work ethic. I’m glad this Church outlines our heritage as a people so we can be the best we can be based on our own values. Something wrong with you wanting to bw like your dad if he was a good foundation?)
    Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect (We been broken down by ourselves, you’d have to be there)
    Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness” ( why should anyone want to be middle class, you should just want to be happy, but many of us see money as our objective. Middleclassness, is simply a limitation that most blacks have found themselves labeled as and trapped in. Class should not be determined by wealth. Thats not me speaking its Pastor Wright)
    Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community (we teach eachother what we learn, I’m not seing anything wrong with this!)
    Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions (Give to the institutions that will better your own first. If I have cancer, why would I donate to the aids foundation first?)
    Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System (Embrace those who embrace what you believe in. You have to know the black value system. Come to learn it, its not unreasonable)
    Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System. (Its no different than any other christian teaching, when you give something to someone, you give them clarity enough to feel its worth. If you make it your own you take seriously. Give them a value system that sounds like it belongs to them and they will honor it. Simple word play, this is Tommys trapperkeeper, for Tommy. Look inside it and it’s no different than anyone elses trapperkeeper. Its full of paper)

    Oh and If we don’t elect Barack, its gotta be Clinton! If we put another person in office who was alive during slavery, I’ll kill myself.

    I’m not going to be the idiot who says I’m anti bush and have the Feds at my door, I will say that he has made some decisions I don’t agree with, and taken as many vacations as I’d like to have. But, who hasn’t made bad decisions, adntho doesn’t like a nive vacation every now and then.

    Oh and Just because we have our own value system doesn’t mean we have to share. (Oil in Iraq)

  2. Nijma Says:

    Hmm. Why do you need a “black value system” if Jesus already provides a value system for ALL God’s children.

    Compare Trinity to, say, the Chicago Temple UMC, which early on made a conscious decision to be a diverse multi-racial and multi-ethnic church, in spite of some initial membership losses.

    My gut reaction here is that Trinity needs to re-read the parable of the Good Samaritan, but maybe it’s not fair for me to comment any further until I have actually been there.

    Thank you for the invitation. I will try to visit.

  3. voight Says:

    I recently attended Trinity.
    Out of 200 choir members, maybe one or two were white.
    Pastor Wright spoke of the Jenna 6 and called it a “fistfight”.
    He bashed the white prosecutor. He bashed Rove. He even told a group of white visitors that they were given privileges that they didn’t deserve.

  4. Nijma Says:

    I have now made the pilgrimage to Trinity and will blog about it soon.

    When someone is continuously beaten after becoming unconscious and loses sight in one eye for three weeks, that is not a “fistfight”. When an underage person does this and is charged as an adult, that is not “justice”.

  5. Voight Says:

    What about an underage person that does this and it happens to be his third assualt in less than 2 years.
    It is the prosecutors job to get the highest charge possible and the defendants lawyer to barter this charge down.

  6. Nijma Says:

    I respect Obama more for staying out of that business.

    Not surprising though that Jesse Jackson went down there. The people the Rev. Jackson chooses to defend are not always poster children for impeccably correct behavior. Remember those four students who were about to get thrown out of some university for rough behavior at a game? Rev. Jackson turned them into media darlings, and got them transferred to other schools. One of them got some more media attention a year or so ago when he appeared with Jackson after graduating without further mishaps. I’ve heard some rumors about why you never hear about the other three.

    You understand the Jena thing is more about getting the black vote mobilized by finding some artificial issue to rally around–Jackson is hardly a political neophyte.

  7. Philander Franklin Says:

    If you get into a fist fight you are likely to get punched in the eye! Blunt trauma to a sensitve organ like the eye is likely to cause your eye to swell up and close. Truth be told, I’d favor my eye being closed than to have the entire nation haunting my family because i am a Racist prick!

    The entire situation was wrong, the teacher shouldn’t have sent those kids to the tree (knowing they were some racist lil assholes) the Black kids shouldn’t have went to the tree unless they had friends over there already, and none of this would e an isssue.

    Its like a black kid going into a mosh pit for the first time…. You are going to get pushed around, and if your not familiar with the purpose of the pit, your going to take it personal and want to fight.

    We all do stupid shit everyday knowing we are crossing bounderies. Some times to open up doors, other times just because we all have a little asshole inside of us.

    Jessie has more power unelected than 75 % of politicians, so what vote need he be concerned about.

    And you know what, WHITE PEOPLE DO HAVE MORE PRIVELEDGES THAN THEY DESERVE. This country was and still is built on the back of minorities, what makes you think you deserve the house yoy live in more than the person that built it. So that doesn’t make the undeserving, it just means that the playing field is not, has not, and will not, likely ever be fair. Fair is unreasonable in any society, be cause greed creates class, and class creates hate.

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  9. jmpw Says:

    Goodness this is silly. If Africans had not been brought to the United States as slaves, they too would enjoy the knowledge of their ancestry as white Europeans do. History, being different, would allow for churches with names like, the Nigerian Christian Congregation or the Ethiopian . . . and so on as European Christians have with the Greek Orthodox Church, etc. There are many Christian churches that have an emphasis on their European foundations. The Catholic mass was in Latin. The suggestion that a church claiming to be supportive of white values would be called racist is not an apt comparison. Obama’s church mentions Africa and race in the absence of a more complete history of it’s members. Asking Barack to deny that he is black is ridiculous. This is about preserving a cutural heritage, not about separatism.

  10. Philander Franklin Says:

    JMPW< good point! The media so has so eagerly sought to creat hype around presdential candidates and have chosen to use Religion as the target as they always have. The sad part is the media has curved society into thinking that making decisions based on spiritual beliefs is bad for our country. So I vote for celeron 5 the next generation of artificial intelligence! The choice we make will always boil down to moral guidance provided by our parents, or life guides. The confidence and security achieved by making bad decisions come from the same place as the good decisions. so if you expect a person to make the right decisions every time, then your not looking for a person, your looking for an all knowing being. Anyone know any all knowing beings? Just vote for the one with the most Charm, the one you like, the cool guy, thats fun to be with. The one that seems more like the guy on the basketball squad that tries to help you get on your game with the subtle “good shot man” or the one who warns you when you got two defenders trailing you. Pick the one you think would actually listen to your conversation and get that lightbulb look somewhere during the conversation. Thats the guy I want for pres. JFK was that dude,Clinton was that dude, Obama is that dude!
    And if you got a problem with a church leading a community, then your have a problem with a people being led a group they chose to listen to. Which means you have a problem with government, which means you have a problem with this country, and no matter who is runnig for president you don’t like them because you don’t like the idea of choosing who represents you. So just kill yourself, or run for office. i’m done

  11. Nijma Says:

    jmpw,

    Many people feel their spiritual needs can only be met if religion is presented in a language they can understand. Their churches are based on language, not on some idea of preserving some “cultural heritage” of skin color.

    These churches typically only last a generation. Once their congregations speak English, they tend to merge with other churches with similar religious doctrine.

    The Bible has been translated into multiple languages. It has never been translated into “black” or “white” or any other skin color.

  12. Angie Says:

    It’s clear Obama and his “pastor” are racists. This “church” spews racism and division among Americans! Can you imagine if there was a white church like this?? It would be completely condemned (as it should be!). They don’t care about unity and being “American”. Their loyalty is to … as they put it… “Their mother land”. So GO to your “mother land”! You obviously have no allegiance to the U.S. or her people!

    You will always find injustices (whether real or paranoia induced) if you are looking that hard to find it!

    People need to know about this man’s real agenda. He has been indoctrinated with this cult-”church” and I can’t believe someone could retain credibility in an election (ESPECIALLY the Presidential election) when they are members of a “church” like this!
    I’m so sick of black “reverends” using the pulpit to further their political soapbox
    agendas! It’s shameful!

    Galatians 3:28:
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Read the book SCAM! The author Jesse Lee Peterson, commented on Obama’s church, “This is obviously a racist Black church masquerading as Christian. Members of the church even refer to themselves as an ‘African People.’ Obama has been campaigning, saying he wants to unite the American people—he needs to explain his affiliation with this separatist church,”

    http://www.amazon.com/Scam-Black-Leadership-Exploits-America/dp/0785263314

  13. Angie Says:

    In the early 20th century, Booker T.Washington had a premonition:
    “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs - partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose their grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

    Sounds like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, and Louis Farrakhan to me.

  14. Mistykl Says:

    My husband and I were discussing the Holy Family, Bethlehem and having a Nativity scene. Next year, we will have one in our yard because we’ll have a home soon.

    Those may years ago, the way the continents were..Nomadic peoples…who’s to say that Mary, Joseph, and the baby Jesus weren’t black.

    I don’t care…black, pink, purple…God doesn’t chose by the color of their skin. Why do people argue about who wrote what book. No one can prove that the bible IS what we truly the higher beings’ teachings.
    The “Dead Sea Scrolls” who wrote them, are you willing to let someone just TELL you that is God’s word?
    Get it together people, you’re playing into the insanity of the uneducated radical human beings.

    Incidentally, I’m pink with freckles…classify that!

    America was formed on freedoms…our history books tell us this. We supposedly teach our children this.
    Stop the insanity…we’re self-emploding.

    I’ve lived in a “White Bread World” moved to “Redneck Country” and have still not been influenced by all this crap.

    I chose freedom from needing to live my life with these prejudices.

    Twenty-eight years of working in the education system…kids are always kids and I loved them all.

  15. Dossevi Says:

    It is time for all of us to reassess the notion of fairness by being able to put ourselves in each other’s shoes. It is time for all of us to rediscover empathy by being able to feel each other’s pains irrespective of any external feature such as race, creed, ideology or gender. If we would not want our own child to be submitted to a given treatment, we should not accept anybody else’s child to be submitted to that same treatment whether we preemptively judge them to be children of privilege or not! Enough with so much self consciousness! Enough with so much self-absorption! Enough with so much intolerance! Enough with so much self-righteousness!
    And by the way, this is the reason why I will proudly vote for Obama as the US President come November.

  16. Average Joe Says:

    I can’t believe these neo-racist black people on this site defending a racist church and its racist church members. The Trinity Church of Christ is a Mugabe / Farakkkhan type hate group. Any non-black person who would dare vote for a hatemongering candidate from that racist church is mentally ill. I understand that many black racist people are trying to hide the fact and are quite embarassed about this situation. This issue will cause a tremendous backlash against the Democratic party come November. What many here don’t see are the tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of e-mails in the white, Asian, and Hispanic communities that are spreading the word about the racist and hateful church that Obama belongs to. Its scares the hell out of me that anyone would let someone be elected who belongs to a church that absolutely is just like Louis Farakkkhan and Mugabe put together.

  17. Nijma Says:

    I have heard a recording of one of Louis Farrakhan’s local speeches and it was nothing like what I heard at Trinity. Farrakhan started out saying things everyone could agree with–patronizing local businesses, building the economy of black neighborhoods– then about twenty minutes into the speech, when everyone was nodding their agreement, he started in with the hate speech. Trinity is not Farrakhan.

    On the other hand, if I belonged to an organization that talked about blacks the way Trinity talks about whites, I would not lend my name to that organization or support it in any way. It’s ugly when whites do it, and it’s ugly when blacks do it.

    Please note also that the Church of Christ as a nationwide organization is a very mainstream protestant denomination, not a hate group.

    It is also worthwhile to read what Barack Obama himself has said about the church and what their message means to him personally. He speaks quite sensibly. Follow the links to what he said, and read his words for yourself.

    Of course, Obama is still a member of Trinity, along with Oprah.

  18. Shawn Says:

    This is just another extremist right wing group discrediting Obama ohhhh yeah am sure hes racist maybe they forgot that half his families white. These guys will try their best to discredit Obama but it wont work this guy is probably the best thing to happen to American politics since Ronald Regan, Kennedy. Anyone who reads this blog please ignore these guys are the same people who probably discredited Dr.Martin Luther King jr.

  19. Jim Says:

    This was in a local paper up here in Toronta, Canada, it’s a little unsettling to say the least.
    Michael Coren
    Sat, January 26, 2008

    Start the scrutiny

    By MICHAEL COREN

    I am not an American and cannot vote in any U.S. election. If I could, however, I would vote for virtually anyone other than Barack Obama. Not because of his colour. Condoleezza Rice, for example, would make an outstanding president of the United States. No, it is because Obama is affiliated with racists and bigots.

    Almost 20 years ago he became a member of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. There he gave his support to a program the church calls a Black Value System, which has nothing to do with Christianity, but encourages the separation of the races.

    At its best the philosophy encourages the empowerment of black America. At its worst it blames white people for every problem in the black community and tells adherents that they must not be “captive” to white society.

    Most worrying is the preacher at the church, Jeremiah Wright, who is not only Obama’s “spiritual guide,” but also baptized his daughters and advises him as he attempts to become the most powerful politician in the world.

    Speaking of Africa, Wright has said that he and his followers, “remain true to our native land, the mother continent” and Obama’s church has given militant racist and anti-Semitic rabble-rouser Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.

    Click here to find out more!

    More than this, Wright actually went to Libya with Farrakhan for a personal audience with controversial Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, who has been linked by some to international terrorism against civilian targets.

    Obama frequently praises Wright and Wright frequently praises Farrakhan, who has said that, “Hitler was a very great man,” whites are “blue-eyed devils” and “these false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It’s the wicked Jews, the false Jews, that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality.”

    He has referred to Asians as “bloodsuckers” and made the most vitriolic comments about gay men and women.

    So Obama’s church is hardly the stuff of mainstream Christianity. Obama himself was raised by two Muslim fathers and attended an Islamic school in Indonesia. His Kenyan brother, Abongo Roy Obama, is still a Muslim and has stated that black people must free themselves from, “the poisoning influences of European culture.”

    Barack Obama may despise his brother’s opinions, but he has never said so. He may disappprove of preacher Wright’s extreme afrocentrism and close association with a racist madman, but if he does he says precious little about it and continues to praise Wright and to laud the man’s influence whenever he can.

    Yet he receives little criticism about all this. Can we imagine Hilary Clinton, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney or any other candidate being let off so lightly?

    What appears to make the horribly inexperienced and lightweight Obama so immune to criticism is, paradoxically, his colour.

    As a black man he escapes the criticism so routinely thrown at his white rivals, which is racism.

    All people should be treated equally, irrespective of colour, class and creed. For Obama to be apparently allowed such indulgences and so many worrying and worryingly close connections is patronizing and unhelpful.

    Perhaps we can only hope that Oprah Winfrey holds a rally or broadcasts a week of shows holding her new friend up to scrutiny and telling him off for being so close to so many nasty racists.

    Otherwise we might think that there was a double standard out there.

    Surely not!

  20. Nijma Says:

    Jim, what else could you expect from a guy who wrote a piece titled “We should nuke Iran”?

    Google him. Michael Coren is definitely not the kind of guy you want living next door to you.

  21. Gene Says:

    Many Black people will invite White people to their nice churches in good environments, but Whites will not usually come. When a few come, even if you treat Whites with much courteousy they will not join. Now Whites will many times invite educated Blacks to their churches and the Black people will sometimes join. But the Blacks are only allowed to sing in the choir or be an usher or cook in the dining room. It does not matter how much education they have or how much money they give. No authority or further respect is offered to them. So Blacks feel more comfortable in their black churches. When Whites come to a black church the Blacks will not get up and change everthing that has lifted their minds up. Whites mostly continue to do things to lift up their minds such as a White Jesus, White Virgin Mary, and White apostles or prophets. Whites do not show Jesus with olive complexion. Senator Barack Obama is not racist against Whites or no other people. He loves all the people in the USA with is heart. But Black people need to enjoy equality in religion and all other aspects of life just like White people. Love to all!

  22. Nijma Says:

    If the purpose of your religion is to obtain authority and dominate people, you really need to crack a Bible.

  23. Mr Scary Says:

    black and work ethic now that’s an oxymoron

  24. Deathblow Says:

    What we need to do is stop with all this african-american, mexican-american and just call ourselves americans plain and simple. Enough with all this race seperation bull. I was born in the USA and I’m American, now is that so hard?

  25. Nijma Says:

    Is that what they teach you marines down there in Texas, “Deathblow”…or maybe I should say “Mr Scary,” since both comments came from the same IP.

  26. Tyler Frost Says:

    If a white supremacist was running for president the media and society would tear him apart (yep even the majority of white folks would). But Obama, whose spiritual advisor and pastor has black supremacist leanings and a publically admitted admiration of anti-Semites like Louis Farrakhan, gets a free pass and no scrutiny. Now that’s hypocrisy.

  27. Nijma Says:

    Where do you see that Rev. Wright admires Farrakhan? I have never heard of that.

    Do you have a link, Tyler Frost, or is that another one of those whisper campaign lies that are being spread around?

    UPDATE: Yes, Trinity’s Rev. Wright has publicly praised Louis Farrakhan. Another commenter post ed a link here.

  28. anderson davison Says:

    We do clean up our houses and neihborhoods and then blacks come in and f*** it up to the point of emabarassment. It’s not your color. God made us all. It your culture. I sware I wish we had never brought any of of you over hear now. again NOT because of your color. YOUR culture is pittiful!!

  29. anderson davison Says:

    I only hope who ever runs against obama exposes him and the church for what they are

  30. anderson davison Says:

    Nijma,
    Do you think you have heard of everthing? NO. did you cheer when OJ got off for cutting his wifes head off? I bet 99% of trinity church was on there feet. So was did farrakhan. So did you. if you did not then say. dont act o holly. you know 90% blacks hate whites in this country. except for the black men that wants to date white females (that are dumb enough to go along with it, and then find out how badly they are treated) as a status symbols like “wearing a blue tooth”. This is too much fun.

  31. Nijma Says:

    I try to keep this site child-friendly, although I do occasionally post on adult topics. I have edited Anderson Davison’s first post for profanity (but not for content or spelling).

  32. Lillian Says:

    I’m not personally for Qbama but i do think you need to get the facts straight. I went to the church’s website and the 10 points you have on here are wrong. Here are the true points.

    The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

    1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
    2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
    3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
    4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
    5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
    6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
    7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
    8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
    9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
    10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

  33. Nijma Says:

    How very, very interesting, Lillian.

    No, I did not print a lie. The church changed its website.

    But thanks to the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, which crawls the web and records screen shots of websites, it is possible to see what the Trinity Church Of God’s website looked like back on February 2, 2007, a few days before I wrote this post. See for yourself.

  34. Deborah Says:

    Shhh. Don’t tell anyone else but they did not totally change their website, they just changed the links. The old page is STILL THERE. Don’t let on you know, or they will remove it forever. http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html
    Like they did the biblical quote that topped one of their pages: “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
    ~ 1 Peter 2:9 ”
    Chosen race??? What race would that be??? The Human Race???
    Deborah

  35. eibw77 Says:

    If African-Americans don’t support and care for each other, please tell me who will. Just because African-American’s take care of members of their community it does not reduce their care for the entire country. Caucasians take care of each other on a regular basis and a word is not uttered…this is not a persuasive tactic…

  36. Nijma Says:

    What a racist idea, eibw77.

    Is that what they tell you over at Trinity?

    Name me one place where I can walk in and say “Hi, I’m white. Now take care of me”. And why would I even want someone to take care of me instead of being self-sufficient?

  37. nikki Says:

    hey mr anderson if you forced me from my home took me to your home just to handle all your problems clean up your mess because you are to lazy to do it yourself, and on top of all that you treat me bad as if white is the only race that matter how would you excpect me to act? WOW

  38. nikki Says:

    I’d say eny persons who claim to discover a country that is occupied by a coulture of its own and THEN force africans from there country to run your so called discovery of a country that you have taken from INDIANS could not be apart of the human race thats beast mode in human form DING, DING, DING MR ANDERSON IS THAT YOUR BEAST MODE COULTURE IM TALKING ABOUT?

  39. nikki Says:

    And heres the sad part all this arguing and bikker about black white this n that and the other its all set up for those of you who will, to turn a blind eye to whats really going on in this world its us against (them) those in power say I. umhuum didnt think so little puppet

  40. Philander Says:

    Well looka here, things sure have taken a twist and turn. seems like we have taken Barack Obama, and instead of critisizing the church from which he draws spiritual guidance, turned him into a racist. Now all of a sudden, he’s in a race for god of the world and not president of the united states. Hmmmm puzzling.

    Trinity is not racist, I could care less about written values, cause to be perfectly honest, I attend 3 times a month. Never heard the values mentioned. I here criticisms about Bush, and honestly that can be annoying. But I guess its ok when I hear it on CNN from a dozen politcal analyzers. Apparently Bush has a low approval rate so I guess everyone can’t be wrong to say that he was a poor president. But what about Bush’s spiritual guidance…??? IRRELEVANT!

    If you discount a presidential candidate because of their Church, isn’t that in a way a violation of the constitution. I thought Church and state were so seperate. Guess not! So vote for McCain McCain more of the same.

    If you think I’m racist… which somewhere in here I apparently been accused of, ask my Caucasion mother in law. Or all my friends from A.N. Pritzker class of 93′. Or all my former co workers at Old Navy State Street. Oh and don’t forget my Daddies ancestors (cause he lightskinned)

    You have all proven one thing, you are afraid that Barack is going drastically improve this country, and that all the history books are going to say…It took a Black president to do it. You are afraid that your little white children won’t respect their daddies anymore because someone who looks like their daddy isn’t at the top of the totem pole anymore. Guess what folks, its only 4yrs, maybe 8. Some of you are so mad because black men are going to suddenly seem so attractive to white women. You are so scared that all your little power will be sucked away.

    Well guess what… We don’t think like you. we have always tried to incorporate you into our. You have always tried to incorporate ours into yours. We like white people. you all have more fun. we learned how to drink and tear up shit from you all. We just got better at it. We admire rock and roll, we just over do it with diamonds.

    And so what some of us are lazy, don’t act like I cant drive down south and find a house with 5 million car parts on the
    front lawn. Yall can be some lazy destructive people too. Stop being so mean to eachother.

    And, so what Jeremiah baptized his kids, he baptized mine too. Does that mean im part of a cult? We don’t leave church and start talking about killing white folks, thats just plain stupid. Yall are safer in our neighborhoods then we are in our own.

  41. Philander Says:

    Oh and Condoleeza can’t even keep her hair combed, and she got big teeth! She was nothing but a distraction for black people. Only Black republicans I acknowledge are Jay-Z and Nas!

  42. Nijma Says:

    What a small world.

    Commenters “nikki” and “anderson davison” seem to know each other personally. Anderson took Nikki from home by force, so what do you “excpect”, and Nikki f*ed up Anderson Davison’s “neihborhood”.

    How sweet.

  43. Philander Says:

    Nijima, that was actually funny. twisted but funny.

    I do have a question for you though. If being white is the dominant race, then is it really necessary for a white candidate to say he is a white supremecist. Its the unspoken, unheard, but omnipresent feeling that you get when you are black and at home watching the Black Lex Luthor in the comics turn into a white Kevin Spacey just to keep the white black conflict to a minimum. Or was it to say that a black man couldn’t be a superwhite man’s arch enemy…sorry off subject

  44. Nijma Says:

    Let me think about that one for a while, Phil.

    My first reaction is that I don’t know who on earth you’re talking about and that you should turn off the TV and get a good book. My second reaction is that once I google all those people I will probably find that you have opened up a whole bunch of issues that are too complex to explore in one comment. The third reaction is that the “dominant race” is probably green–the same color as the almighty dollar.

  45. Conservatives say Obama lacks patriotism - Page 6 - The Political Hotwire @ Ballot.com Says:

    [...] His church has a stated mission to promote Africa and to promote only "black values": Is Barack Obama’s Trinity Church Racist? Camel’s Nose Is Barack Obama’s Trinity Church Racist? February 18, 2007 — Nijma The blogosphere [...]

  46. Chris Says:

    Let’s play a little game and subsitute the word “White” for every time it says “Black” and see how benign these talking points sound. Don’t you think a church with THESE talking points would be considered racist?

    Commitment to God
    Commitment to the White Community
    Commitment to the White Family
    Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
    Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
    Adherence to the White Work Ethic
    Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
    Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
    Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
    Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
    Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
    Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

  47. Krissy Says:

    How can we come together as a country when we are all so divided I do not like Obaba or his wife or Oprah, and guess what, its not cause they are black!! Its because they are bogus and they are the ones who are racist they are not real to this country and they seem to put a feeling of only uniting people they like!! They are so fake especially his wife which whom should not be involved in this , but the spouse does end up being the support for our president, but what a wanna be joke she is just like Oprah!! i dont care how much money she has , Obama is going to be president because we are now run by college students who dont have a clue on life yet, but a voters card hence the big to do on young voters!!! they follow the party!!! and dont forget the Berkley C.a. people give me a break!! lets all listen to them!!! they arent a little weird at all but have a voters card!!! and dont forget our illegal alliens they may not have a green card but they probly found them someway to get them a voters card, in hope some one will get into office that will keep them from having to work or work at least legally!!! Say what you can about me at least i speack the truth unlike the hidden agendas of our Candidates to run this Beautiful Country of ours!! that gives them the right to run for office!! i know what it takes to run this country, it was the backs , and sweat , and lives of people that came before to keep us safe , only here in this country would this happen!!! God Bless America!!, we will be fine we always do , im sure he’ll get into office and then the big picture will hit him !!I think he is a big bull crap fake Martin Luthur King Wanna BE ( which will never happen) Martin had style and grace and you knew his agenda!!! But the next four years should be funny!!! God Help Us All!!!! ( I cant beleive in this whole country, This is all we could come up with for candidates for President!!! How sad!!!) Krissy.

  48. PATTY Says:

    Is it racist? Yes I believe it is. Do not agree…here it is, judge for yourself.
    http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

  49. Red Says:

    Nijma…..you are correct that the Trinity church changed its website recently to remove the more controversial parts. I also read the original version a couple weeks ago. Makes you wonder doesn’t it?…………You asked earlier for a link in reference to Rev Wright praising Louis Farrakahn..Will this one work? http://www.trumpetmag.com/pdf/nov_dec_feature.pdf

  50. Nijma Says:

    Perfect, Red.

    Trinity Church links to this “Trumpet Newsmagazine” on its website. Here is how it quotes Rev. Wright:

    “When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says
    the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister’s influence to
    the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with
    him, but they listen…His depth on analysis when it comes to the
    racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye opening. He brings a
    perspective that is helpful and honest.

    “Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and
    21st century giants of the African American religious experience,”
    continues Wright. “His integrity and honesty have secured him a
    place in history as one of the nation’s most powerful critics. His love
    for Africa and African American people has made him an unforgettable
    force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere
    about his faith and his purpose.”

    Others have called Farrakhan racist, homophobic and antisemitic.

  51. Tanja Says:

    Well, i have to say all i can do is to shake my head left and right! I am european actually german and married to a black man for the past 8 years. I cant understand why peopel are racist. I cant understand a church that say white people dont deserve or get special treatment and i cant understand a so highly advanced country who plays world police to be so little to others and i still back in the way of thinking…to me white and black people need to break the bread. the goverment wont change that not obama but we as people at home. I have a 5 year old she came home one day and told me that her friend in school wont play with her because her mommie is white…WTF…them kids are in kindergarten they dont wake up one morning saying i dont like white people…i make this girls parents responsable.
    we in germany can go on and rave about hitler and jewish people…we learned our lesson and move on, keep old building to remind our youth it was bad but move on and make peace. America is just dumb…black people need to get over this whole slavery thing, yes i agree it was horrible more than words can express like hitler did 50 years ago i hate both events but we need to move on as humans!
    I go through it everyday….young girls in the mall talk behind my back…aaarrgghh that ( n-WORD) just got himself a white bitch so she can do this and that! why be ignorant, love has no color, christ has no color, we should be more colorblind! my husband comes from a family that doesnt want him to be around white people cuz thet evil…WTF
    he told his mom as we married: i didnt not chose a white woman mom i chosed a human being who complets me!
    I hate comments like: another one that took a good black man away from our community…ever thought that there are people being tired of all this community thing?
    I never in my whole life experienced so much haterism towards a persons skin color white,black,hispanic,mixed
    but the US finally showed me there is such thing. embarrasing! i rather go back to my country with my husband at least nobody ever judged us !!!
    Just to bad, that he is the army defending HIS country who is more busy with all non important issues than what really matters…how my husband says: IN BATTLE THERE IS NO COLOR…we all bleed red!
    …we need to do some teamwork…COLORBLIND TEAMWORK!…its a start!
    Wish you all the best…
    the white girl with her black husband and a daughter that combines the BEST of BOTH worlds!

  52. Philander Says:

    Farrah Khan…. I don’t really want to touch this issue, but if you read Jeremiah’s comments without the past jusgments that people have had for Farrah Khan, you won’t find anything he said to be undeniable. I hate to admit it.

    If you read the last line of the comment he specifically says “His love
    for Africa and African American people has made him an unforgettable
    force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere
    about his faith and his purpose.” His Faith, his purpose, he never says our faith and purpose. Farrah Khan just has a list of unpopular opinions, but his effectiveness in undeniable, otherwise, you wouldn’t know who he is or what he stands for. Im not personally a fan, but in my opinion, Jeremiah was made a blanket statement that could apply to a great number of people.

    And in response to the person who replaced black with white in the Churches laws…. I don’t see anything wrong with it now either!

    Njima, Lex Luthor was supermans arch enemy, and Kevin Spacey played Lex Luthor in Superman Returns.

    You are partially right about the Green being the dominant race.. my only comment to that is the fact that the black dollar leaves its community in fewer transactions than any other on earth. So we really don’t have fair stake in the global economy. Columbians don’t even like to sell cocain directly to us…Don’t ask how I know that.
    TANJA,
    I agree with you on america being dumb!
    Krissy- know what it takes to run this country, it was the backs , and sweat , and lives of people that came before to keep us safe ,

    exactly whose sweat backs are we talking about? I don’t like Oprah, but I have met Senator Obama’s wife. She is a classy lady! She mostly rolls with white chicks though. At least Obama kisses his wife in the mouth, all the other Candidates cheek kiss which is simply a nonchalant way of saying, I don’t listen to this chick, she is just here for the look.

    Njima, thanks for creating this blog. So who are you voting for. Lets Caucus!

  53. latinaza Says:

    It is sad that McCain, Clinton and Obama are representing the “best” of America. We really do not have an ideal candidate this time.
    However it is our responsibility to choose our president and I know that Obama is definitely NOT the right choice!

  54. Laura Says:

    As of today, the TUCC’s doctrine has been changed. I went to the website yesterday and read the doctrine and almost fell over. Today however, it has been changed. You will notice that the word “Black” is no longer mentioned. Appauling.

  55. Nijma Says:

    The “black value system” is still there, Laura. They’ve just moved it to a back page.
    http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

  56. PTM Says:

    REGARDLESS OF OBAMA’S FAITH SYSTEM, HIS WORKS SHOULD PRECEDE HIM. AND NO I AM NOT A TRINITY MEMBER.

  57. Becker Says:

    Shouldn’t the africans be thanking us whites for bringing them to this country. If it was not for us and of course those poor individuals who were initially the slaves of this country, the africans living in the United States now would still be in Africa living in grass huts, killing their own meat, sweating in the jungle, having their babies in the dirt, wearing no clothing, makeup or earrings, etc. Because of the whites and slavery, they now live in this wonderful country and getting free educations and MUCH help from our government and tax payers. Also, have they ever thought of all the white people who lost their lives to end slavery? I am SOOOOOO tired of all of this.

  58. Nijma Says:

    I bet you wouldn’t mind being kidnapped into slavery, Becker, as long as your great- great- grandchildren got to wear earrings.

  59. blakmira Says:

    I didn’t think Obama was so bad at first, but boy, does he have a lot of dirt under the rug! Turns out he’s just another crooked, pandering, flip-flopping politician who is against civil liberties for citizens (he voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act), he’s a member of the globalist Council of Foreign Relations (of which Bush, Exxon, the Clintons, et al. are also members), who associates with people who make their living taking advantage of the poor (his 16 year business association with a slumlord) and who has a LOT of baggage and unresolved issues — one being his own race and suspicions of other races.

    I say No “good” change will be coming from this man Obama. He can’t hold a candle to Ron Paul for integrity, civil liberties for all and an impeccable voting record.

  60. Nijma Says:

    To say nothing of accepting money from white supremacists and refusing to give it back. But Ron Paul is wise to the Council on Foreign Relations, to say nothing of the conspiracy to build a North American Superhighway and replace the dollar with Ameros.

  61. Steve Says:

    Hope! Change! Here comes Obama to save the day with his sophisticated socialist anti-constitutional agenda, philosophy of total defeat by radical Islam, and an adoration of one of the most racist individuals I have ever seen.

    I also find it interesting that Mr. Sophisticated was surprised to find out that his close buddy of 20 years was a radical hate monger. If he wants us to believe that statement’s not a lie, then it forces us to see Obama as being an incredibly naive and easily fooled individual. I don’t care how great of a smile he has, I do not want some idiot who can be easily deceived by 3rd World dictators in the Whitehouse. I don’t want a President whose agenda comes from the programming on Comedy Central.

    OK, enough logic. Since I know lefties hate logic, I’ll try to present a leftist argument to discredit Obama:

    ur sexists who doesnt want to see a women in the whitehouse so you support osama no matter what beacuase you are sexists and want to be part of the good old boy network because you hate woman and want 2 see them all barefooted and pregnant?

  62. Anonymous Says:

    I say give the whole slavery iossue a rest, Christians were fed to the lions, witches were burned at the stake, its all history lets move on…..

  63. Anonymous Says:

    issue

  64. Concerned Americans Says:

    OBAMA SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT! He has CHOSEN to be a member of a racist Church for 20 YEARS! His Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, uses hateful phrases such as “GOD DAMN AMERICA” and the “N-WORD” to edify? the members of his church. Anyone not leaving this church after the first visit is taking their leaving a little too slow. Obama wasn’t able to recognize anything was wrong for two decades! Think about it, he has been sitting in the pews of this church since Jimmy Carter was president! As an individual, he may be forgiven. But for someone who wants to lead our nation this is UNFORGIVABLE! Character and decision making ability are the two most important tests of a good leader. Obama has failed miserably on both counts. The Presidential Race was not about “race”, but Obama’s poor decision making has made it about RACISM. The genie is out of the bottle now, and all efforts to cover his tracks will only serve to divide our nation further. If he ever truly cared about our country, he should step aside now, so America can move forward.

  65. Concerned Americans Says:

    OBAMA SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT! He has CHOSEN to be a member of a racist Church for 20 YEARS! His Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, uses hateful phrases such as “GOD DAMN AMERICA” and the “N-WORD” to edify? the members of his church. Anyone not leaving this church after the first visit is taking their leaving a little too slow. Obama wasn’t able to recognize anything was wrong for two decades! Think about it, he has been sitting in the pews of this church since Jimmy Carter was president! As an individual, he may be forgiven. But for someone who wants to lead our nation this is UNFORGIVABLE! Character and decision making ability are the two most important tests of a good leader. Obama has failed miserably on both counts. The Presidential Race was not about “race”, but Obama’s poor decision making has made it about RACISM. The genie is out of the bottle now, and all efforts to cover his tracks will only serve to divide our nation further. If he ever truly cared about our country, he should step aside now, so America can move forward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXFxbx1Y4M

  66. Anonymous Says:

    Obama’s church is a prime example of why black Americans perceive racism the way and to the extent they do. I find it personally offensive at how white America is blamed every time a black person doesn’t get what they feel they deserve. And to put the blame for slavery on white America is the biggest travesty of all. Let’s not forget that it was the African’s own people that sold them as slaves to traders that arrived by sea. They were war captives that were sold for goods by other tribes. Why do black Americans not put some blame on Africa instead of embracing it?
    It was the United States that spearheaded the campaign to stop the slave trade by sending a fleet of ships to patrol the African coast. The flagship of this fleet, the Constellation, still sits in Baltimore’s inner harbor. Who knows where we would be today if the US didn’t make this stand. Since that time there has been so much immigration to this country that the majority of the current population’s ancestor’s were in other parts of the world at the time of the slavery in America. So the concept of white America being responsible for slavery is the most absurd idea I can imagine.
    Racism begets racism and to be brought up in families and churches that propagate this lie is at the heart of the problem in America today! It’s time we start focusing inward and stop pointing our fingers outward!

  67. karamel Says:

    Obama is racist…pure and simple.

  68. PTM Says:

    OBAMA IS NOT RACIST. AND THE U.S. ENDED SLAVERY? HUMMM…. YEAH IT TOOK THEM LIKE OVER 100 YEARS TO FINALLY DECIDE THAT MAYBE SLAVERY WASN’T THE THING TO DO AFTER THEY HAVE EXPLOITED AFRICANS FOR FREE LABOR. NO ONE IS POINTING THE FINGER AT THE WHITES SO PLEASE STOP WITH ALL THIS NONSENSE. I’VE READ THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM AND PLEASE TELL ME WHERE EXACTLY DOES IT SAY, “THIS IS A RACIST CHURCH”? JUST BECAUSE THEY USE THE WORD “BLACK” MORE THAN FIVE TIMES NOW ITS A RACE ISSUE? MY GOODNESS PEOPLE ARE JUST CAUSING AN UPROAR FOR NO REASON WHAT SO EVER. I THINK THERE’S A DESPERATE NEED FOR AN EYE EXAM. PLEASE GET IT TOGETHER.

  69. Philander Franklin Says:

    Njima,
    Look at this blog now. Well if I have learned one thing, its that people are at least listening to Barack. The most replies in a single day after he gives a speech about improving the one nation concept. Some how this blog went from I Barack’s Church Racist, to Barack is Racist.

    God Damn America, wake the hell up. You are not all at home thinking to your self that everything is fair for everyone. God Damn America, you could be so much better than you are. God Damn America, everyone expects the best from you. America is Mad, not just Black people at Church. Up until now, everyone wanted our troops home, now you don’t care, as long as you get to bash the Black presidential hopeful.Suddenly everyone is completely happy with the goverrment. Out of nowhere this is the perfect country. I don’t know where any of you are from, but I live in Chicago, I am Black, i attend Trinity, and I am not racist. But let me tell you who think that white america has changed and that racism is a thing of the past to go to hell. You are full of s***.

    And for the historian bringing up that ship the constellation, it wasn’t built until 1854, slavery goes back to the early 1600’s Jackass. How many years of tortured and raped women, destroyed families, and nooses is that. If you don’t think white america was responsible for slavery then who the hell was? Last time I checked, my grand mother was a slave to a White man in Alabama only one life time ago.

    Barack is trying to unite us, thats what he says, but you would raather listen to someone who isn’t running for office, and apply his every thought and concious to Baracks. That is simply saying that a mans word is not his own, so whose words are mine?

    ***[edited for language. Nijma]

  70. Philander Franklin Says:

    Oh, and if this country was so happy go lucky,and a barrely of roses, why are you all hiding behind screen names. Some of you are so scared to be who you are. If you are a white racist, you not gonna say it, but trust it so heavily implied in what you write. Its sooooo funny how Barack is being blamed for playing the Race Card… But its fine, cause when your friends and relatives return from war 100 years from now, you won’t be here to reflect on the stupid decisions you made. The S*** under McCain, and Hillary’s rug aint no better, you just used to seeing it in WHITE AMERICA (said with Eminem in mind)

    [***edited for language. Nijma]

  71. Nijma Says:

    I find the concept of a “white America” curious. Why choose race as the single defining characteristic? Why not talk about “rich America” or “male America” or Volkswagen-owning America”? Isn’t that in itself the definition of racism, to treat someone not as an individual responsible for their own actions, but judging them on the basis of what they look like? Isn’t that the definition of stereotyping–to judge someone by what they were born with on the outside and not by their own personal choices?

    What is everyone saying here about “collective responsibility”?

    If a black person robs a bank, say in Chicago, are all black people responsible for that?

    What about black people in Miami, are they responsible for that black person who robs a bank in Chicago?

    What if a hundred years after that black person robs a back in Chicago, a black person from Ethiopia moves to Chicago. Is that Ethiopian now also responsible for the black person who robbed a bank in Chicago a hundred years earlier?

    So exactly who is this “white America” that everyone keeps talking about?

  72. Anonymous Says:

    I’m tired of the racisim. It will never end. As white people we’ve tried to make up for the past, but black people will not forgive. I’m young, I didn’t do it, I wouldn’t do it. I don’t want to do it. Give us a break. Let by gones be by gones. Obama is not the answer. He is hanging on to the past with his pastor. Someone else step up to the plate. We will listen.

  73. dan Says:

    bottom line is that it is rediculous that everytime that someone says black automatically it is racist, just for saying black. It does not matter the actual meaning behind the sentence. I am tired of Barack taking the racist card when it benefits him and once it gets turned on him it is a different story. His speach meant nothing, you do not go to a church for that long and become good friends with pastor and now that is shows what his guide lines of beliefs come from it is time to back peddle. If you take the situation between the two canidates make them the same race, gender and now tell me which one you would choose. It would be the experienced one. We all know who that is. In my opinion is that black people are making a difference in the way that life is now for everyone but the race card has got to stop. It is not what it was years ago with slavery we are in a new era, let it go. There are just as many black, hispanic, foreign racism as there are white in this country. As for the black racist out there, don’t forget that it was the black man that brought the black man to America to be sold. Don’t put all the blame on the white man.

  74. Tom Says:

    Obama has thrown in with racists - the good preacher Wright and now the Black Panthers. It is time to move on and look not at race but unite as AMERICANS. Mr. Obama you have disappointed us.

  75. PFRANK Says:

    Njima,
    while it would be rediculous that all blacks be blamed for robbing that bank you were speaking of, it is higly likely that many black people to follow will experience some uneasiness while entering that bank. Strangely enough, it wouldn’t matter if that bank was operated by blacks. either, the smae uneasiness would occur. so maybe that wasn’t a fair analogy. I could walk in that bank with a suit on and if my face is unfamiliar, I will likely get that nod from the branch manager to the door guard.

    And for those of you who think black be should let bygons be bygons, we would love to do that, but see we still face a lot of predjudices to day. You may not be the reason specifically, but ultimately while much has changed, much has not. I can tell that many of you don’t bother reading this blog, you just look fo Obama followers to try and discourage them from supporting him. So instead of trying to deminish a persons character ie… a form of racism, why don’t you who think racism is over look to those who suffer the injustices every day and ask us why we can’t let it go. Its because if we both commit the same crime we get different time, its because if we both have the same poor credit score, you will still likely get the loan, or lower finance rate. its because if we get into a car accident and you clearly ran into me, I get a ticket and face the uneasiness of dealing with a caucasion police officer who sees his sons reflection in you and not me. Its because you say Barack is playing the race card when a WHITE person brought the issue to the table as an act of desperation, its because bi racial relationships are still frowned upon, its because your schools have books and mines has copies faxed over from another school, its because you are the slumlords and we are the tenants, its because fairness and equality is a right thats written and seldom excersized. Its because you are more likely to be scrutinized for saying n**** than I am for saying h*****. The only people who can be dissappointed by Obama, are the ones who are satisfied with the callous attacks imposed upon him by his opponents being that he hasnt lashed out with an equal fierceness. If he would, then the media would turn him into a N****, being ignorant and losing sight of his original mission. There is a double standard, I really wish you could see it, but those blue eyes filter it out. Some of my best friends are not of my race, and as close as they are to me, they still get lost in conversations like this. They find it unbelievable still. I have one friend who understands, but it took for a White and black police team to pull us over and tell us we got pulled over because I was black, and I had a white male in the car with me.

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    [edited for language-Nijma]

  76. PFRANK Says:

    Nijima, Sorry, I have been mispelling your name all this time!

  77. Anonymous Says:

    I for one am glad to be in America. I hear that slavery and all sorts of violence is still alive and thriving there!

  78. Drew Says:

    ok let’s wake up WHITE people!!! now it sure would be nice to love al. but the truth is black people hate us they hate us white people. this is the truth and we all need to realize this truth. the friends you may have that are black what do you think they say about WHITE people when they are with their black friends, well wake up they are not saying white people are great they feel that we are the cause for all their problems their is always a double standard they feel as though they can say whatever they want and if we say what we want,well they want to harm us for it. They try to blame us for racism well why doesn’t the black community wake up and realize that they are causing the racism that they are the racists. How am i to like a race of people who hate my race well i can not. To all the black people I have done nothing to you so why do you hate. To my fellow white people I beg of you to wake up God knows I love my race with all my heart why do we allow this double standard why do we defend a race who hates us PLEASE wake up white people my heart goes out to WHITE AMERICA i love you and I hope this Obama mess wakes up alot of the upper class whites who do not have to live with these people and see what is real. I have to take the bus and i hear the comments like f-ing white boy and other remarks. But don’t get it fucked up im no silly white boy you will not take my things or rob me i will defend myself to the end.

  79. linard Says:

    this is obsurd. from the get go i never was for obama simply because when he gives speeches, sounds more like he is preaching to us then actually speaking to the people, not only that i did not like the fact of everything you hear about his background, oh wait im being racist? psh. thats what blacks would say, so tired of everytime something happens to blacks, they blame white and call it racist? and everytime the rev. jesse jackson and his butt buddy al sharpton and those damn black panthers then they got to parade around blaming the white, when actually its the blacks that are the racist ones, dont take it out on the white people or white america as you would say its, that some s*** what happend years ago is not our problem anymore, so get over it. cant do nothing about it now, but you seem to dwell so much on it. i think obama is a racist, i dont like the idea of a news report interviweing his people from KENYA and they say and i quote ” we are rooting for barack, we want barack to get it because we want to come to america” HEY OBAMA PLEASE PICK THE COUNTRY YOU WANT TO SERVE! CANT DO BOTH, YOUR SUPPOSE TO BE COMMITTED TO JUST ONE. believe it or not, obama not only has NO experience but there is so much s*** behind him. bottom line is, blacks need to get the f*** over that s*** they got stuckup there a**, and stop attacking everyone but themselves.. oh and oprah.. your just as racist too.

    [***Yes, I edited the swear words again. Why do people post swear words here? Do they think for some reason I want to read a bunch of swear words? -Nijma]

  80. linard Says:

    its discriminating to me to be called a h*****, or something of that, then to call blacks the N word. seriously.. listen to yourself.
    [*****Epithet for whites edited by popular demand. -Nijma]

  81. Philander Franklin Says:

    So if I understand everyone right, Black people are racist, we blame whites for everything, we hate white people… did i miss anything.

    So what is it the White people are doing all the while this anger is boiling in the black community? are they all h*****dory and peachy king. just existing with rainbows following them everywhere they go. Cardigan sweaters, and wrinkle resistant khakis? Ignoring black people?
    It would seem so, typically when you give a rebuttle to a statement, if the original statement has a valid point then you would address that point first then counter it with a stronger point. So when I made numerous comments of how black people are treated unjustly, how come no one said… while some of those things may be true….
    Its because you either don’t believe them to be true, or you don’t think they matter and just ignore them.

    Oh if discrimination is not a factor, the why did H***** get printed and N**** get edited???????????NIJIMA lol

    [*****oh, all RIGHT already, I've edited the epitaph for Caucasians as well. All the nasty words on here are getting to be a royal pain. --Nijma]

  82. Philander Franklin Says:

    You know what, don’t vote for OBAMA.
    Your vote won’t matter anyway, cause he will get cheated out of office, and you won’t have to worry about it. McCain will win cause he is a veteran, he’ll send us all to iraq and everyone will be dead by 2011 just intime for my car note to be completly paid off. we will fall further into recession, which will lead to higher crime rates, everyone will already be homeless because of bloodsucking lenders. Or Hillary will get tired of being ignored by countries who think less of women and she will launch an attack on Russia, China, and N. Korea at the same time while she is having hot flashes and start World War 3, either way we will all be dead by 2011. Or 3rd Senario, Obama gets elected and gets shot in the head causing an uproar in the black community who will all go Nat Turner and start killing all white people on sight with machede’s (<— spelling?)

    All because I go to a racist church! Sorry Jeremiah, your not raping little boys, but you cetrainly can ruin a presidential race.

  83. Nijma Says:

    I rather liked this editorial about The Speech:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oew-meyers20mar20,1,5615767.story?track=rss

    I